2020 Volkswagen Atlas Cross Sport; Coronavirus Affecting Auto Shows | Talking Cars #245

2020 Volkswagen Atlas Cross Sport; Coronavirus Affecting Auto Shows | Talking Cars #245


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and enjoy the show. We talk about our first
impressions of the 2020 Volkswagen Atlas Cross Sport,
the cancellation of the Geneva Auto Show, and do
manufacturers warranties extend when you’re buying a
used car next on “Talking Cars.” Hi, and welcome
to “Talking Cars.” I’m Jennifer Stockburger. I’m Keith Barry. I’m Mike Quincy. So as of this taping, what’s
going on in the world, really, is this spread of
the coronavirus. Who would have ever thought
it would affect things so drastically like the
stock markets, et cetera? But how it relates to
cars as they recently canceled the Geneva
Auto Show for risk of large crowds, the
location, et cetera. And with the New York Auto
Show right around the corner, literally, it got
us talking about how the auto show has changed,
how the introduction of cars has changed. Keith, any thoughts there? Yes, so it’s interesting. So Geneva kind of turned
into over recent years the show where
supercars came out and these cars that nobody could
afford these 1,000 horsepower tour de forces of engineering. Koenigsegg, which I
still can’t spell. Exactly, exactly. There are lots of
vowels in there. But they made this
incredible, you know, four door, four seater,
gull wing door kind of concept that no one got to
see except for online, because the auto
show was closed. New York sent out something
the other day that said, you know, we’re going to be
having lots of hand sanitizers, but the show’s still on. Right. And that may change. I mean, Geneva was on up
until the last minute. But it kind of shows
that we don’t necessarily need to have these big
shows, where everyone comes into the same place,
all the automakers are competing for attention. Right. So I think it
started with Apple. Apple had their own event. They don’t go to CES or at the
time, Comdex, or the big trade shows. They wanted to own
that news cycle. And if you’re Volvo,
Mercedes, BMW, you’re all competing to have the
world learn about your latest concept on the same exact day– why would you do that when you
could just own another day? So it may– this may be the sort
of the death of the auto show. Well, they’ve already
seen attendance way down in some of them. And they’ve shifted
times of the year. We’ve seen a shift more
to LA than Detroit. Frankfurt’s moving to
Munich– well, the auto show, not the same. It got misplaces. And Detroit is moving to June
instead of the nice weather that we always have in January. Yeah, where it was
competing against CES and it was backing up
against these other shows. Yeah. I still think they do speak to
just consumers’ love of cars– just wanting to see them. And a clarification. I mean, maybe the automakers’
attendance of the auto shows are coming down. Some car makers are choosing
not to come to shows. I think that’s what you
were referring to before. Yeah, Mercedes pulled
out from a lot of them. But the public is still
coming to auto shows. Yeah. I mean, the attendance
is still really strong. Despite the availability of
all the online information, galleries, et cetera. Right. But they’re looking
at it as buyers. And from an automotive
manufacturing perspective, these things cost a lot of
money to stage these things. I mean, they’re
hiring, you know, A list musicians to introduce
their vehicles during the press days. I saw Bruce Hornsby. And so it costs
them a lot of money. So maybe they’re– maybe
not only they’re considering the health hazards of
doing, you know, auto shows, but maybe they’re looking at it
from a financial perspective. Right, which they
have in the past, too. I still think, too, people– you know, you can get all–
glean all the information from the internet. But to get in a car, and sit in
it, and touch it, and feel it– it obviously still
has some impact. We’ve been seeing
the local shows are starting to do test drives. And these are shows that
aren’t supported necessarily by the automakers, but they’re
supported by local dealers. And they’re these smaller shows. They’re at, like, the
Hartford Convention Center. Right here, yeah. Yeah. They’re at smaller places. And people can still go to
those and without the pressure of a dealer breathing
down your neck, you can try out cars from a
bunch of different brands. And then go on to decide. And you can find out, are
these seats comfortable? Do I like the feel
of the interior? Yeah. And those are typically
production cars. You don’t see a lot
of concepts at those. It’s what’s on the lots. I think the origin of the auto
show was to help local dealers. That was it before it became
this big multinational concept car thing. But it is a big deal. One stop shopping. Yeah. But it was a big
deal to cancel it. I, mean I know we were
talking about LA– they had a fire at one of their
auto shows in the 19-teens, and they just moved
it down the street. It was too big to cancel. Yeah, so canceling
these shows, this is– I don’t think– it’s sort
of an inevitability that’s being accelerated, I think. By the coronavirus. Right. So we’ll– So we’ll see what
happens in New York. So yeah, very interesting. We’ll see if we’re
covering it remotely. Who would have thought
in the big picture how a health issue would have
so many repercussions. One of the cool things is that
because of all of this stuff was already set up
there, some of the brands turned it into a new opportunity
to debut their cars that were actually more than just
prototypes that could actually drive. And they debuted them by driving
back to headquarters in Europe. So I know Mike Morgan did that. And they turned it into–
and follow along online. When life gives you lemons– Drive a Morgan. And of course, that’s
what our crack video team would do, of course. Oh, we messed up, so let’s
pick up the cameras– They wouldn’t mess up. Yeah. Of course not. Exactly. They don’t mess up. All right. So speaking of new cars,
we had our first chance to drive the 2020 Volkswagen
Atlas Cross Sport. And Keith, I know you
rode the first drive. What are some specs on this car? Yeah, so the Volkswagen
Atlas is a big SUV with three rows, seats seven. The Volkswagen
Atlas Cross Sport– Volkswagen kind of
melted the end of it to make it apparently
look sporty. Yes. That’s the word– sporty. Exactly. So basically, it’s
the same car upfront as a sort of loaded
version of the Atlas. The interior feels a lot
like the Volkswagen Arteon, except it only seats five. It loses 19 cubic
feet of cargo space. So it’s less utility,
more sports– we’ll talk about that. Right. But there are two
engine choices. There’s a 2 liter four
cylinder turbo, a 3.6 liter V6. The only transmission
is an 8 speed automatic. On the one that we’re
renting from Volkswagen right now is the 2 liter
four cylinder turbo. That’s the car. I mean, if you want to
learn more about it, read our review of the regular
Atlas, because a lot of it is very, very similar. It’s the same. And that’s kind of
some of my thoughts. As you can tell by some
of the intonation I’ve been giving this, I have
feelings about this car. And those feelings are? Let’s get to that. Well, I don’t want to
step on anyone’s toes. Why don’t you– So I’m gonna go to Mike. You keep that for a second. Yeah, I”m going
to stew over here. Mike, did you have thoughts
on the Cross Sport? My thought is that it’s yet
another auto manufacturer that needs another version of an SUV. Slicing and dicing it thinner,
and thinner, and thinner. I don’t know how many
SUVs the public can buy. Obviously, they’re
still popular. But anyway, driving
the Atlas Cross Sport, I thought the four
cylinder turbo was surprisingly engaging. I was pleased to learn that– I thought it was the V6. Yeah, I didn’t know. That’s how good it is. I had to go look. So it’s responsive, it feels
kind of light on your feet. I thought the transmission
was super smooth. Good ride, good handling. Again, I’m not sure that
we need another SUV. And I remember, this
reminded me of when we first started talking at the Honda
Passport, another two row SUV. And a lot of our colleagues
with smaller chiller were like, oh, it doesn’t have
three rows, and that’s terrible, blah, blah, blah. I have no use for a third row
seat in my life right now. I’m never using the third row. So vehicles like the Passport,
and I guess, the Atlas Cross Sport, totally fit into my
life and they’re very useful. But that being said, I’m
also more of a fan of sedans these days than SUVs, so. Yeah. You know, you talk about
needing another SUV. I do think Volkswagen
needed this. You know, the Touareg
died off, and they didn’t have a five row larger cargo. They had the Tiguan
and they had the Atlas. In my mind, they
needed this Cross Sport tucked in there between the
two to compete with Passports and other five seaters. So I agree with you. I was pleasantly surprised
with the turbo four. Thought it was great. I think they’ve
kept, to your point– again I talk about having adult
sized passengers all the time. There’s a lot of
room in there, just like there wasn’t the Atlas. I think where they
lost is cargo. it does look sportier, but I’m
not a fan of that rear slope. I think it just robs cargo. It robs visibility in a lot of
cases, that whole styling cue. Couple things there. I said we really
liked the Atlas. That was hurt by some
reliability issues in our overall score. But it can cash in on
the Atlas success– it was a good seller
for Volkswagen– then I think it’s
doing a good thing. Standard safety– automatic
emergency braking, forward collision warning,
including pedestrian detection. Blind spot warning, which
is not always standard. Rear cross traffic warning. All standard. But it’s expensive. It starts around 31,
goes up to about 50. OK. Depending on how
equipped, right. But I’m at the edge of
my seat, because I’m dying to hear your
assessment of this car. So I gotta say it,
because it reminds me– this is a problem that
started in Germany. I think it started
with the X6, that BMW where they sort of
sliced off all the cargo space on a big SUV. And it reminds me of– you
get some of this Ritter Sport? It’s a German chocolate cookie
and they call it Ritter Sport. I know a Pringle, but I
don’t know Ritter Sport. It’s called Ritter
Sport and it’s a cookie. And it says sport and it
has a bunch of calories, and, like, 19 grams of
sugar, and, like, 30% of your saturated fat. It is not sport. So I think that maybe
the word sport means something different in German. So you go to a furniture store
and it says, like, coach sport, or you go to the Berlin Zoo,
and it’s, like, sloth sports. And this is why I like Keith
Barry on “Talking Cars.” The problem is the
one that we rented– Volkswagen plastered the name
Cross Sport on the side of it is sort of an advertising thing. So people know what it is. So people know what it is. But there already is
a sporty car out there with this interior,
with a great backseat, and with a lot of cargo
space in the back. And it’s called a sedan. It’s called the
Volkswagen Arteon, which is what I drove last night. And all the praise that
we lavished on this car is sort of conditional on
the fact that it is large. One of the reasons
that I like the Atlas is because it was great
for how big it was. Right. Always qualified. But if you can only
sit five people and if you can only fit a
small amount of cargo space, why are you getting
around 20 miles a gallon? Why are you sitting up high? Why are you driving this
big lumbering beast of a car if you can get that sporty
this side of a sedan? So I’m kind of– I’m with you here. I don’t think that all
SUVs are bad, necessarily. But when you take the rationale
for why they exist and just have it be about an
image, that really, really sours me on this vehicle. You’re holding out the
keys to the Atlas Sport and the Arteon is, like, Mike
you can go on a long a long road trip. I’m taking the Arteon. And if you’re taking
a lot of people, you’re taking the regular Atlas. Or if you’re coming
back with antiques or bringing a bunch
of gear or something. That’s the question I have. We’ll have to see. Will it have appeal
beyond this table? And we’ll be buying
our own and testing it. Absolutely. So stay tuned for that. We’ll have more. So very interesting. You gathered your thoughts. That was very nice. So moving on to questions. As always, keep them coming,
[email protected] The first one is a video
question from Daniel. Take a listen. Hi, “Talking Cars.” My question for
you is whenever you get a next generation of
a car come in for testing, and you review it, and you
talk about it on the show, I hear you say things all the
time like, well, you know, it lost a little bit of
steer and feel compared to the last generation. Given how many
years it generally is between generations of cars
and all the other cars you guys test in between, and the
shortcomings of human memory, how is it that you retain
this information in order to compare the two
generations to know, well, it lost, like,
5% of steering feel? To be that specific, are you
just looking at old notes or you guys all have
excellent memories? Thanks. So thank you, Daniel. And while I would love
to say that it is indeed our memories that allow us
to make these comparisons, I think it’s a bit
more than that. Mike. Right. So this question brought
up a conversation like, how do we do this? And but it reminded me of
how we handle a redesign. And what brought to my mind
was the 2012 Honda Civic. Now this car took
a step backwards. The ride got worse. It got noisier. The steering wasn’t very good. That was done and then
only lasted one generation, it was so bad. It was no longer fun to drive. It tested so poorly for
the first time in forever, Consumer Reports didn’t
recommend a Honda Civic. And Honda, of course,
panicked, and went back to the drawing, board
and they fixed it. And the reason I know this,
Daniel, is I looked it up. We have a database
that encompasses just about every car we’ve ever
tested going back decades. And so when new
cars come online, and we either rent them from a
manufacturer for a first drive, or we buy our own
test cars, we’re always comparing it
to where it came from. Is it better or is it worse than
the new model that it replaced. Within the vehicles
that got better, for example, was
the Toyota Camry. The Camry, to me, the
steering got better, the handling got better. I think Toyota took that
criticism of, oh, your cars are boring to drive
seriously, and they instilled a lot more lively
steering in their vehicles. Keith and I are big fans
of the Avalon, for example. And so we look at it
from a data standpoint in terms of fuel economy. The Camry’s fuel
economy got better compared to the last one. And the opinions aren’t
just one person’s opinions. Sort of these are juries,
these are numbers. And so it isn’t all
just in our head right. It’s also in our database. And it helps us publish
as a extensively as we do. And I think it’s important. In the databases, it’s
not just the numbers, but the place for comments, and
why it was rated why it was. And a resource for us and
for our listeners and viewers is the web. We have model page right for
the used versions as well. Exactly. So we can go back and
get that character and say, even if we can’t say
exactly why the numbers were different, we can certainly
go back and read it and strike our memories. And our used car
information, we would say to Consumer Reports members,
avoid the 2012 Honda Civic. And look for a 2013 and
2014, because it got better. And some vehicles, too, you
drive enough from the brand that there’s a bit
of a reputation. So I think Mazda and
steering is a good example– that the steering
feel is different. We’ve driven a lot
of Mazdas, all of us, and then all of a
sudden, they just started feeling a little
bit different in this latest round that’s come out. Right. We’ve often used, even
on “Talking Cars,” it’s not Mazda-like
or BMW-like right because there’s an expectation
for the brand as well. So yeah great question, Daniel. Thank you so much. Our next question is from Paul. I’m interested in buying a
one or two-year-old used car to save money, but I’m
concerned about warranty. If something breaks
on a used car, can I still go to
the dealership to get it fixed under the
manufacturer’s warranty or does the warranty
get voided once there’s a transfer in ownership? Keith, Barry. The short answer is that
almost every time you buy a used car
that is still under its original
manufacturer’s warranty that you’ll be able to go to
the dealership and get it fixed. Now some restrictions
apply, buyer beware. It depends on a lot of things. So for example, some
Hyundai vehicles, some hybrid vehicles will have
one portion of their warranty that’s very, very long. And sometimes, if the car is
transferred to another owner, that warranty stays,
but it gets shorter. So it goes from 10
years to five years. Or a lifetime warranty on a
battery to a 10 year warranty on a battery. Sometimes, there are
different warranties that you can get after the fact. And that is where
things change here. So a certified preowned
car is often something that the manufacturer
claims that the dealer has gone through and done
a huge inspection on. And we’ve looked into that,
and sometimes, that inspection isn’t as– Thorough. Exactly. You said it. But the one thing you can
get from that is usually, a longer warranty. And sometimes, if you buy a
one or two-year-old car that’s certified preowned, you
can get a longer warranty than someone who bought it new. Backed by the factory. Backed by the factory. That’s the critical part. And you can bring that to any
dealer from the same brand. Now sometimes, dealers will add
on their own little warranties like lifetime oil
changes or lifetime this or lifetime something. There’s a lot of fine
print on all of those. The same goes for if
you’re buying a third party warranty, which we found aren’t
always a great bet, especially on reliable cars. And those are kind of basically
just backed by a company that will pay for a portion or
potentially, all of a repair, no matter where it’s done. Those are a lot of fine print. But the long story short is
if you buy a reliable car that does well in our
reliability ratings, you’re probably not going
to need the warranty. Particular on a one or
two-year-old cars as Paul is looking at. Right. A one or two-year-old
car, exactly. And on a one or
two-year-old car, it probably has some
factory warranty left. And you can actually see that
if you look at, say, the Carfax or something. It’ll even sometimes show you
the in-service date of the car. Because it isn’t
by model year, it’s by the in-service
date of the car. Right. I’m sorry. You’re so right about
that yeah the fine print, because several
years ago, Chrysler made a big deal about their
lifetime powertrain warranty. The fine print on this was
that it was not transferable. Yeah. So obviously, the smart people
in Chrysler looked at this and said, OK, well,
our average owner keeps their cars
x number of years, and then they move it on. Right. So they weren’t really risking– Lifetime of one. They weren’t really risking
as much as it probably sounded Like and also,
several years ago, we did a survey that
showed about 55% of owners who purchased an
extended warranty– this is more for a new car, but
still, the same logic applies. So 55% said they hadn’t used it
for repairs during the lifetime of the policy. Yeah. So buy a reliable car. Check the in-service
date, because just because it’s a
2019, it could have gone in service in late 2017. We have 2021s here
that we’ve purchased. Exactly. So check that to make sure it
isn’t by the date of the car. And consider a CPO,
certified preowned car, if you want that extra warranty. It’s funny. It comes to light for Consumer
Reports, because as we’ve said, we buy all of our test vehicles. And then ultimately, sell
them via different channels. But Consumer Reports is
considered the first owner, even though the cars
only have sometimes, 5,000 to 10,000 miles on
it, some of those warranties don’t go. So it’s kind of interesting. We see it certainly
from this side. Our next question
is from Sheila. My husband is not a
particularly good driver. This does not say anything. And he’s developed this habit
of driving with his left elbow propped up on the windowsill. I am not a fan of
this behavior and when recently asked him not to do
it when driving a rental car. But once we were back home,
he picked the habit back up. Please give me a good reason
he shouldn’t drive like this. I can’t believe this is
the safe way to drive. So my grandmother helped
teach me to drive. And when I started
to drive like this– and she was a rather strict
woman about certain things– and she said, Keith, it’s better
to be safe than to look cool. But the truth is always better
with both hands on the wheel. We talk about teaching
our young drivers that– 9 and 3. And better control. But in reality, I do think
it’s valuable for people to be relaxed. Attentive, but relaxed. If you’re on roads you know, if
you’re on a freeway, et cetera, I do think of all the things
that Sheila’s husband or others could do, I think there’s
minor risk in that temporary– If he’s driving like this
or driving like this, that’s a problem. Looking at his phone. It’s like, we a rental car. Stop doing that. That’s an interesting
part of the question. But you’re right about
teaching our kids. With my youngest at 16– so we’re doing a lot
of driver education. And he’s very
nervous, and I get it. But one of things I
say to him is, like, don’t white knuckle it. So you’re at 9 and 3
and you’re doing this. You just try to relax your hand. The more tense you are
driving, the more fatigued you’re going to get. Just like some of the good
driving advice is also don’t stare straight ahead while
you’re going on a long trip. Keep your eyes moving. So keep your body moving. Change your position. Change your posture. Adjust the seat, even. Reaction time. It’s all about reaction
time and all that, should you have an issue. So my only thought
on Sheila’s question was if they’re in a
rental car, are they in an unfamiliar location? So that would be my only thing. If you’re, again, on
roads you don’t know, you don’t know
what’s coming, maybe keeping both hands on the
wheel for all these reasons we talk about is a good thing. But I do think there’s
a balance there. And the way that you
introduced the question was sort of funny you
talking about spouses. We could do a whole
“Talking Cars” on that one. Of bad habits. But if he’s not a
particularly good driver, anyways, potentially,
this is somebody who can– In Sheila’s mind. Exactly. Someone who can benefit
from a little more attentiveness behind
the wheel in general. In general. In general. So hopefully that
helps you, Sheila. So our fourth
question is from Tom. I drive a Kia Niro
EV and I’m constantly having other drivers flash
their headlights at me. They’re saying, nice car, Tom. Nice EV. I don’t think so. Thinking I have high beams on. My car has LED headlights, which
I have adjusted a few times, but this seems to
be an LED issue. Why can’t the auto
industry, which is always going on about advanced safety,
produced a safe and effective headlight, especially one
that does not cost thousands of dollars to replace? And Tom, we just happened
to have our headlight expert right here. So I thank you. I thank you. So the timing of this
question from Tom is kind of interesting. For those of you
who don’t know, when we test a product, any
product, not just cars, and the manufacturers
have concerns, particularly, it happens
when we rated something low, they are allowed to come look at
the vehicle to say, you know– we even sometimes show the
test result, like, here it is. And they have concerns. We recently had this
on a vehicle we tested, where it had a poor
headlight rating, and they were
looking for the whys. Because they want to improve it. They want to improve it. It’s all good. It’s good for consumers
and et cetera. So anyway, I asked
them specifically, what is the drive to
adding LED headlights? We’ve mentioned
on this show, it’s much more prevalent,
even on mainstream– even on low cost vehicles that
we’re seeing the LEDs. And they said three
things life you don’t have to worry about
replacing bulbs and et cetera. Though the replacement, to
Tom’s point, of that unit is more expense. If there’s a crash or something. In a crash. Power consumption. They indicated to me the LED as
a technology have lower power consumption, though
they alluded to the fact that as they add more of them,
they’re creeping towards what the old halogens could be. And styling. Because the point
source is small, it allows the stylus to do
these funky arrangements in terms of styling. To answer Tom’s question,
they are more light. They are a brighter whiter light
and they’re simply more of it. So when you combine that
with these sharper cut offs– and I say that, it’s the
transition between light and darkness at the top
of that low beam pattern– and you approach that car
either on an uneven road– if it’s an SUV like
the Niro, and you’re in a lower stance vehicle– if they’re even following
you, it gives the impression as you cross that cutoff
line that these LEDs are flashing you. Yeah, sometimes, if
you go over a bump, it looks like they’re flashing. Right. And it doesn’t just
happen with LEDs. Right. So I was driving our Jeep
Gladiator the other week at night. These are halogens. And a lot of oncoming drivers
thought my high beams were on. I looked at the
instrument panel– no, the lows are on. So it can happen with
all different even types of vehicles as well as
different types of lenses. Right. And Tom is saying
that alignment is key. Right. You know, there’s a big
range of allowable alignment. If your tweak– those
lamps are slightly high– you’re going to
see this even more. Tom has said he’s
already adjusted them. And we’ve adjusted the
ones like the Gladiator that you’ve been in
before we tested it. So even with that– we have a relativity
visiting from Alaska, and we were driving
the other night. And he said, oh, there’s an LED. That must be a police officer. And I said, what? He says, yeah, when we see those
bright white lights in Alaska, we know they’re
a police officer. And I said, that’s not the case,
certainly here in Connecticut. And I think perhaps
they have older vehicles and the LEDs are
not so prominent where he is in Alaska
as they are maybe here on the Northeast. So it is very interesting. So we’re not quite where
all the vehicles are LEDs. We still see that mix. People pick them out and
believe them to be high beams. So Tom, you are not alone. Keep your alignment good. And again, you may
be subject to this because there’s a balance of
wanting to see further ahead, but balancing glare. Now aside from that thousands
of dollars to replace, there are some solutions
that are on the horizon, so to speak. And it’s the adaptable beam
headlights, which we’re starting to see in Europe. They’re very expensive. Yes. But these are essentially
headlights that can either put a shutter over a
portion of the lights or it can sometimes even
move the lights a little bit. It can disable individual
LEDs if it needs to, yeah. So basically, there’s
a camera looking out or a sensor is looking out. It sees where oncoming
cars are coming in. And it basically dims the
beam for the oncoming drivers only in their field of vision. That’s not going to
solve your cost problem and go back to the days
of square headlights around headlights, but– Sealed beams. Sealed beams, exactly. But I think we’re in this
sort of interesting regulatory phase, where those are
already legal in Europe, but they’re not legal
in the United States, and there’s still this long
comment period about it. So we’ve written about that
a lot at ConsumerReports.org. So if you want to search
for adaptive headlights, you can learn about those. And to your point,
headlights are no longer just a sealed beam. You get what you get. There’s options on
nearly all vehicles, be it halogen on the
base car and LED. I know it sounds crazy, but
we said, if that’s a concern, do a night drive. See which ones are more
pleasing to you depending on where and how you drive. And as you have accurately
pointed out, getting the higher cost light isn’t always better. So I think that’s interesting. We have never said
unequivocally that LEDs are better than halogen.
There’s good and bad for both. And as you started
answering this question, you said, no question that in
this case, the LEDs are bright, they’re whiter, they’re
doing all these things. It’s another example, I think,
in the automotive world, where you have technology that
takes steps forward, but also take a step backwards. You’re getting this, but
you’re giving up this. And then eventually, it
might reach that equilibrium as we figure it out. And the cost may come down as
they increase in popularity, which they continue to do. So hopefully, we’ve
helped you, Tom. That will do it for this
episode of “Talking Cars.” As always, keep listening,
keep watching, keep the questions coming– [email protected] And we will see you next time.

56 thoughts on “2020 Volkswagen Atlas Cross Sport; Coronavirus Affecting Auto Shows | Talking Cars #245

  1. Why talk over each other…🤯 Especially Mr.Green Shirt…..

  2. I love the LED on my Acura because my eyes don’t get fatigue and yeah I’m sorry for other drivers seeing my headlights. If they flash me thinking I have a high beam on, then I just flash my high beam back.

  3. This show more like the View. Long on gab short on interesting facts

  4. Keith’s mild rant on SUVs that forgo the “utility” make me think, is that reflected in CR’s overall score. I’m guessing that all things being equal otherwise, they would be heavier, less aerodynamic, less fuel efficient, handle worse. Aside, from clearance for those who actually need it, possibly being easier for some to get in and “commanding” forward visibility relative to cars, I don’t see the benefit.

  5. 2:47 Not even close to the death of the auto show, this provides speculation for journalists, if you notice when Car reviews are done on new production models they always referred to what they saw in the auto show and make comparisons

  6. Please stop promoting these gas guzzlers. They are destroying the atmosphere. They need no advertising. This is why I dropped my subscription.

  7. First!

  8. Health issue? Government propaganda at its finest.

  9. I live in Jacksonville FL and our Auto show is 3 days and Toyota Chevy and FCA do ride and drives every year

  10. I love the electric lime green color Keith!!!

  11. I like this version – I don't need the 3rd row but still want lots of cargo space. For those that might read this comment, what are the other 2-row CUVs with the most cargo space behind the 2nd row? The sloped rear roof doesn't bother me because we rarely pack stuff above the window line (ok maybe a few inches above), so square footage is much more important to me than volume (e.g., I would choose a Subaru Outback over the Forester.) I don't like the reduced visibility though – you can slope the roof down some without making a Camaro-sized rear window.

  12. look…lose the idiot with the beard. his opinion, or should i say negativity, brings nuthing to this table.
    go and "stew" in some corner.
    look, keith, there IS a difference in sitting high vs low.
    entry and exit are EASIER!
    get it?
    you slide in and out easier.
    we like this!

    look GET OVER IT! we people like our SUVs. they are our wagons of the modern car.
    is it ok?
    can we have our "raised" wagons without the negativity?
    and we want them, perhaps, ok, without the third row.
    keith, you wanna talk about "image"?
    well, what is the reason behind that sweater?
    that GREEN sweater?
    image, perhaps?
    image is what sells!
    jesuhHchrist…you are on a car show and have issues with an "image"?

    why does the CRV exist?
    why does any raised unibody exist?

    the crv, the subies, they are all of your team favs, right?
    so…damn anybody who buys one over any honda sedan why don't you?
    because.
    you
    are
    an
    idiot

  13. I would think every auto manufacturer would want to get a Top Safety Pick Plus (TSP+) from the iihs.org and of course 5/5 from CR. How hard can it possibly be to design a great headlight???????? Why are there so many "fair" and "poor" ratings (from iihs) on recently redesigned cars? I get that styling issues may be trumping (or at the minimum, impacting) good headlight design, but I feel there is no excuse for modern cars to not all score "good" at iihs.org and get 5/5 from CR.

  14. for the woman with the husband driving one arm on the side i'd say to get a rental car that doesn't have soft touch materials on the window sill or let alone little room to rest your arm. the 2015 elantra limited has little room to rest your arm but still very comfortable ride for a rental so i'd recommend that. good emergency handing as well.

  15. Consumer Reports: on the topic of headlights and their ratings, do you think it might be helpful to provide more information than just a score from 1-5 ? I'm not asking you to include as much detail as iihs.org (and I'm aware you test differently than iihs.org,) but some remarks regarding low and high beam distance, as well as low-beam glare would be helpful. What else could you include to provide us consumers more insight into the 1/5 score? (Or do you talk about headlights for each car you rate and I just haven't seen that?) And maybe you could at least include the 1-5 score in each vehicle's summary (I checked just a couple of reviews and I had to click a few links before I found the score.)

  16. I would constantly get flashed in my 2018 Kia Soul with the projector beams when I had my low beams on

  17. I’m Cross-ing this chopped Atlas off my shopping list

  18. I don't care how anybody dresses, I have not room, let's just say, I will never forget that lime shirt.

  19. I feel like all this Coronavirus stuff is all to artificially drop stock prices to increase global company buybacks.

  20. Since this was brought up in this podcast, I wanted to ask how it is possible for a brand to offer multiple trim levels of a vehicle where the "best" headlights (read "an option package" or on higher trim levels) are worse than a lower trim level. First an example of just the opposite: The 2020 Toyota Avalon comes with two different headlights, one for the most common trims sold (XLE, XSE) and another for Limited and Touring trims. In this case, the cheaper trim headlights are rated "Poor" and the higher trim headlights are rated "Good." The ones rated "Good" are led projectors for low & high beams, and the ones rated "Poor" are led reflectors for low & high beams. How much more do the projectors cost than the reflectors? Another example is 2020 Camry, where their curve-adaptive led projector lights get a "Good" (only available on the Hybrid version), but every other Camry gets headlights rated "Acceptable."

    Finally here's an example of a higher trim level with curve-adaptive headlights that are rated lower than those without the curve-adaptive functionality. The 2020 Honda RDX is an iihs.org TSP+ with led projector non-curve-adaptive lights, but the model with led projector curve-adaptive lights rates "Acceptable." I assume the engineers were expecting their fancier headlights to be better, but, at least using the iihs.org test procedures, that wasn't the case. There are more examples like this but I can't seem to find them at the moment.

    I don't know how expensive or fancy the iihs.org test setup for headlight ratings is, but I would expect that when automotive engineers are designing a refreshed/new vehicle, they would go to the trouble to try to replicate the iihs.org (or Consumer Reports) test procedures to ensure that their new baby (vehicle) would receive the coveted "Top Safety Pick Plus" (TSP+) rating. Maybe there is disagreement with the iihs measurement technique, or manufacturers are more focussed on styling, or maybe manufacturers don't care about iihs ratings?

  21. Biggest reason for the SUV over the Sedan is step in height. Please keep that in mind when ranting about the SUV and the next time you have to bend over backwards to get into that low Sedan.

  22. 8:00 february's sales were extremely telling for this, if its the start of a trend. just looking at acura's sales number the RDX and MDX took heavy losses percentage wise (makes sense) however the ILX lost, around half that amount percentage wise when compared year to year. Interestingly the TLX split the difference.

    So this might mean that SUV's are on the way out and "bang for buck" sedans are on the way in. While the ILX's sales numbers definitely indicate a trend the RDX and MDX, aren't quite there. if this is the start of trend.

  23. I agree with Keith and would definitely choose the Arteon over the CrossSport.

  24. I love going to the Chicago Auto Show. It was amazing seeing concepts and getting to see what my next car could be. The Indianapolis car show (city I live in) is nothing but a large car dealership showing. It’s terrible. The car shows have to be worth going to otherwise attendance will definitely tank like the Indy one.

  25. Not apples to apples but I get similar fuel economy with my 2015 F-150 Super Crew, 3.5L, 6.5 ft bed. I can accommodate 5-6 people and haul way more stuff. Only downside is the length makes it difficult to park, etc, in town.

  26. Sedans in Texas are a death trap that’s why!

  27. Just attended the Cleveland Auto Show & drove several different vehicles., climbed in & out of many. It was certainly crowded so lots of people must like it. I would hate to see car shows end!

  28. Keith Barry is a gem.

  29. Growing up very close from Waldenbuch where Ritter Sport is located, I can only say: LOL.
    That was absolute nonsense comparing the Sedan with the SUV, just who came up with that?
    Of course people are buying SUV's in all shades and Sedans not really… you seem to be surprised what is cute in a way and I see this is mainly entertainment…
    You buy an SUV for the step in height, when you are 6.7ft you know what I am talking about but you are not 🙂
    Also that Cross Sport has a bit more space in the rear than our 2014 Grand Cherokee…

  30. How to make the show better…don't stop. I love this show..don't change a thing!!!!

  31. Precisely correct, Keith!!

  32. It’s funny how the 2.0 TSI feels engaging in the Atlas Cross Sport but so awkward in my 2019 Tiguan…

  33. For that question from Sheila, wouldn't a bad driving style cause problems if you were in am accident like driving too close to the steering wheel cause injuries including death when airbags are deployed?

  34. Be nice if they change the Cleveland auto show to a nicer time of year. Even if it's just mid March-April . Feb is kind of an iffy time. And why would you want to set up all these cars in cold weather. Seems highly unnecessary. I honestly, don't think I'd go if the weather was bad. Driving a hour one way isn't worth it in bad weather. It makes sense to minimize the chances of bad weather.

  35. Sport is the most misused and deceptive word in the auto industry.

  36. The relative must live somewhere extremely remote in Alaska but definitely not in Anchorage or Fairbanks.

  37. I❤️Keith

  38. Car shows are so different than other shows which are about getting information, which you can get on the Internet anyways. I have found them a good way to quickly evaluate the interiors, and seating positions of prospective new purchases. The value to vendors is I am willing to consider cars there, that to be honest, I wouldn't consider if I had to seek out their dealers, which might not be anywhere near me.

  39. Great show but Keith that’s real green sweater. Bright

  40. Keith the real car I missed being from 1990’s is the beautiful sport coupe. Eldordo LSC super coupe thunderbird and Supra

  41. love the show. it would be great if you can cover more the financial aspects of buying cars, new versus used, buy versus lease etc.

  42. I like the idea of local, dealer-driven auto shows. The big auto shows are more for the press than buyers. Its hard or impossible to get near the hot wheels on public days.

  43. Funny about the LED in Alaska. I think in the most of the lower 48 police cars have the crummiest halogen lights out there and that is the give away.

  44. Ritter Sport is called "sport" because it's sized to fit in the pocket of a sport coat, which is a coat originally intended for sport: duck hunting, dressage, etc. The host gathered his thoughts, but not his research.

  45. “Sloth Sport” made me laugh really, really hard.

  46. If your having rotator cuff issues with your left shoulder get your arm off of the door.

  47. Plain and simple, SUV led headlights need a lower cut off

  48. I am from Alaska, and I really wonder where her relative is from because there are LED Headlights everywhere. This is why people still think we leave in igloos and ride moose. – Sent from my macbook in my house with electricity.

  49. Fuel economy is horrible for a 4 cyl and that was a deal breaker for me. If it was 23/25/27 i would have bought it

  50. Not for tall drivers… tested a turbo/SEL/4Motion with full-range power seats. My right knee was jammed against the side of the console against a hard, pebble grain barrier. My knee was hurting by the end of the test drive. Too bad. Otherwise I loved the car.

  51. I like the Cross Sport concept; no need for a 3 row and actually has plenty of cargo space. Nice looking – better than the Passport in looks.Would not own a sedan so this is a nice option.

  52. 9 and 3 on the steering wheel – glad they are up to date on the latest standards.

  53. Hi Talking Cars. I am a subscriber. I noticed that you all gave the Kia Telluride and Hyundai Palisade above average scoring for predicted reliability. What's up with that? Does this score include reliability after 5 years? Where are the Toyota's and Lexus's on the list?

  54. Love my steering LED headlights on my 2017 KIA Optima. Auto hi beams make things easy down a dark unlight back road .Hi beams flick off just before the oncoming car might flash me. Works perfect every time !!

  55. hate led's/HID's They are DANGEROUS (honda/acura are the worst in cars) because not only do they really bother the other drivers, they can temporally blind or have me have to look away from the road. I don't know how the hell the idiots at NHI allowed this garbage sh*t to happen. To prove my point….I have an older 1999 nissan maxima and I will drive them with the high beams on to try to lessen the oncoming beams and to see if I get flashes and and not once do I get them. People are so accustomed to intense headlights, they don't realize my older cars high beams are less brighter than the current led lights not on highbeam!! NHI needs to fix this asap!

  56. Ten years ago, I'd definitely pick the Arteon over the CrossSport. Father Time, however, has other plans. I've owned sedans for years but am now facing the reality that a crossover/SUV might be better for my aching bones. It'll be a sad day, yes.

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