$1,000 vs $3,700 Wheels and Tires | HiLow

$1,000 vs $3,700 Wheels and Tires | HiLow


– [Nolan] No way. – [James] Shut up. – $1000 set of wheels and tires. – Versus $3600 set of wheels and tires. – Does more expensive
really mean more better? – Let’s find out. – Go. We bought two identical Nissan 350Z’s. – Almost identical, as
identical as we could find. – We’ve been modifying them to be fun, daily drivers that you
can take to the track. – One Z gets expensive parts and the other Z gets cheap parts. – Then we’re gonna test them
to see which components are actually worth spending
your hard-earned money on. – For my wheels, I went
with a set of Advan RG3’s. They’re very strong,
they’re very lightweight. They’re $667 a wheel, which
is nothing to sneeze at. And for tires, I went with these
Bridgestone Potenza RE71Rs. They are $265 a tire. I got them on sale. – And on the cheaper side,
I went with XXR 527 wheels. They’re 127 bucks each. And for tires, I went
with Federal 595 RS-RR’s. They’re only 136 bucks a tire. What do you say we open up our wheels and see what they look like? – Those are sick, dude. We went with an 18 by
10 square setup on my Z. This is light, dude. – Let’s see what mine look like. I will be honest. I like the way mine look more than yours. – [James] You like them more? – [Nolan] Yeah, I like
the more spoke-y look. – So why do mine cost six
times as much as Nolan’s? Well, alloy wheels can be
made using different methods that determine their weight and strength. My Advans are flow formed. The process gives the wheels more strength without adding more material, so they come out stronger and lighter. Each of them weighs in at about 20 pounds. – So mine are low pressure cast wheels. And they weigh about 24 pounds each. – So Nolan’s suspension is gonna have to work a little bit harder to control its heavier
wheel than mine will. – And my wheel has what’s
called a multi-lug pattern, so this wheel can fit
on many different cars, not as cool as the single lug pattern. – No, it’s sort of a telling
that your wheels are cheap. – Yeah, no, I’m gonna
try to keep this as nice. I’m gonna try to keep these, I’m sorry. I’m gonna try to keep
these as nice as possible. – So this is the first test
you gotta do with the tire, see how good they bounce. – Oh yeah. Rubber compounds are serious business. – Unlike rubber chickens, which are technically a joke business. – Tire companies are super protective of what’s in their secret sauce. Plus, the government’s tire
quality grading standards aren’t strictly enforced. And the way manufacturers rate them all is kind of unverifiable too. It’s just weird. – Yeah, so while the
Federal 595 RS-RR tires going on Nolan’s car have
a 200 treadwear rating, that doesn’t mean that
they’ll perform the same as my 200 treadwear Potenza RE71R’s. It’s time to stop being
polite and start getting real. Can cheap tires match the
performance of expensive tires? – I hope so. – I hope so, I hope so too. I would much rather spend $500 than 1200. – Ridiculous. – All right, you can spend
all the money in the world on wheels and tires, but if they don’t fit right, then they’re gonna be a
really expensive paperweight that sits in your room forever. Ask me how I know. Unlike most projects, the hard work for fitting
wheels and tires on your car comes before you even open your toolbox. Research is the name of the
game here, boys and girls. – There are a lot of numbers on a tire, but there are only three
that you need to know to make sure they fit on your car. The width, the profile
or the aspect ratio, and the diameter. The width is self-explanatory. It’s the width of the tire. So these are 265s. Generally, the wider a tire
is, the more grip it will have. But the more rolling
resistance it will have too. So it might eat up some gas mileage. – The second number is a
measurement of the side wall but it’s not in millimeters. It’s what’s called an aspect ratio. 45 means that the side wall is 45% of the measurement of the width. So the width is 245 millimeters. This 45 means that the
side wall is 45% of 245. – The smaller your tire aspect ratio, the less tendency of the tire to shift back and forth on the wheel,
the less rollover it has, but it’ll be a lot harsher of a ride. You’re pretty much riding on rubber bands. – And then the last number, that 18, that’s just the diameter
of the hole in the tire, so you know what size
wheel to stuff in it. And those are the things
that are important to know whether or not you can
fit them under your car. So that’s tires. That’s pretty easy. – With wheels, there’s a
lot of things to consider and a lot of scary numbers involved. But don’t sweat it. Zach and Nolan are gonna break it down. I attempted to break it down. The more you move the center of, the more you move the hub. – There’s really five numbers
you need to know with wheels. You need to know your diameter, so you need to know if it matches the tire you’re putting it into. – The next measurement is the width. And wider wheels lets you run wider tires. But you can also run skinnier tires. And if we really wanted
to go full stance boy, we could put super skinny
tires on our wide wheels and kill ourselves when we’re
driving over twisty roads. – You need to know your bolt pattern, and you need to know your hub center bore to know whether or not it will slip over the hub on your car. So that’s all important, but
that’s all pretty simple. – The last measurement on
the wheel is the offset, and this is scary, but it’s not, it’s not. – To understand offset,
let’s first find zero offset. Zero offset is the dead
center line of the wheel. And then when we talk
about positive offset, that means that we’re moving the mounting face of
the wheel, this thing, we’re moving that positively outwards. So towards the face of
the wheel is positive. That’s it. And then that lets you know how far out your wheel’s gonna poke or how
far in it’s gonna be sucked and ultimately how it’s gonna look because an 18 by 10 could
fit a million different ways given a million different offsets. But with the internet, with our forums, we know what people run, we know what looks good, and so, we’ve got some targets to hit. – You definitely want to
look up the torque specs for your lug nuts. You don’t want to be
driving down the street and have your wheels come off. I’ve been in a car where
it happened, not mine. It was, one, terrifying,
and two, very embarrassing. Yes. We don’t have to roll the fenders. – We have to roll the fenders because our wheels are very wide and the offset is relatively aggressive, so we’re taking the fender lining out. If you did your math a little bit wrong or if you’re just going
full send on your fitment, you can buy yourself a few
extra millimeters of wiggle room by rolling your fenders. This usually consists of bending the inner lip
of your fender upward without really changing the exterior look or shape of the panel. You can do it with a purpose
built fender roller like this, or you can go old school
with some hammers. Nobody does it like this anymore. This is some real artisan, artisan stuff. – (bleep) I just broke something. – [James] And it always
helps to add some heat to try and keep the paint from cracking. – I think we got plenty of room. I think the fender pulling
and rolling did the trick. I don’t think we’re gonna rub at all. – So Nolan’s car is slammed. – Clout god. – And I am honestly a little jealous that his car is so slammed. – Gotta get lower, dude. I really love it, dude. – Let’s go see if this puppy rubs any. – More, more, more. – You think it’s gonna rub? – No. Hooks it up. – Hooks up, fo’ sho. – Road noise on the new tires. – We got a little bit of rubbing. Yeah, there’s a definite
drone to the tire noise. – These feel good, like around that kind of corner earlier, you could kinda feel it
push a little in the front. – It’s like on rails, man. God, James’s car is gonna feel amazing. – Damn, we’re not even sure
if it’s second anymore. – No, we’re just stuck to the road. – You have so much
confidence with these tires. All the confidence we took
away with the $300 coilovers, you get back with these tires. – But their tires at a
fraction of the price are definitely 80% as good, if not more. – Dude, it’s great. No rubbing, nothing. – We might have just ride
height it a little bit, but that’s just ’cause
we want to look doper. – It feels very planted,
very confidence inducing, which might be a bad thing
for guys like me and Zach. I’m really happy with it. It feels really, really, really good. – What a combination of smells. I guess what we learned today is that hot boy isn’t a choice, it’s a lifestyle. – That’s a good bang for your buck, man. I would be happy with that for 1300 bucks. That’s legit. – Zach, are you ready? – [Zach] I am ready. – [James] Last episode,
we set up a slalom course to test the handling of our
new coilovers with stock tires. This time, we ran the same course to see how much of a difference our new thick, grippy boys made. – So I think for us to really
see the limit of these tires, we need to be on a track
and really running hot laps, heat cycling the tires. I think the Federals and the Bridgestones are gonna feel very similar
for what we’re doing. – When you look at both runs side by side, you can clearly see that
low car’s Federal RS-RR’s maintain traction noticeably
better than the stock car’s. In hi car, the results
were even more apparent, especially around the last cone. You can see here the rear end of hi car kick out with the stock tires, but with the Bridgestone RE71R’s, that booty stayed solidly planted. Next up, we ran what’s
called a lateral G test. Basically, you drive
around in a big circle as fast as you can until
the tires lose grip. If you’ve ever been on a merry-go-round, this is kinda like that but way more fun. And if you think about it, there’s way more horses in this one. I’m talking hrsprs. Did you break it, Lewis? I didn’t see. In this episode, we’re testing the tires, but both cars have
different suspension setups that affect how they drive. – The low car was jouncing,
bouncing all over the place, looked super unplanted,
looked uncomfortable. – The front end was just sort of. – And the hi car, I could
have done that all day. It was very comfortable. It was eating up every imperfection
as we were going around, and it felt very neutral. We eventually just kinda pushed it out, but it was hardly even over-steer. And I’m super happy with
the way this thing feels. – [James] And finally, we conducted a 60 to zero deceleration test. You might think that this
would be testing the brakes, but the traction of the
tires actually plays the biggest role in
your stopping distance. Turns out 60 to zero deceleration
tests are really hard. – I got like 55. – Did you find it harder to do
than you thought it would be? – Yeah, yeah, ’cause I would get up to 65 and be like, okay, I can
let off and it’ll slow down. And then you let off
and it’s like, still 65, and I was like. – But we think that we were able to get enough good runs out of each car to draw some pretty decent conclusions. So does more expensive. – [Both] Mean more better? – The results are in. – And they may shock you. – They probably won’t. Thanks to Keeps for sponsoring
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this episode of HiLow. For the slalom test, the tires
made a huge difference, Nolan for both cars compared to stock. Low car ran a 6.57 and hi car ran a 6.52, which is 7.6% improvement over stock. – A half second difference
over a 400 foot course is. – Huge. – That’s really big, yeah. – Massive. And I also want to point out
that hi car is now officially faster than low car. – We’re at one and one now, we’re tied. – So for the radial test,
both cars were consistently breaking loose at around 40 miles an hour. Low car got up to around 39 miles per hour before they broke loose. Hi car was around 41. – Two miles an hour, not huge.
– Not bad. – But also. – Not nothing. – Yeah, not nothing. – Low car suspension probably
made it more difficult to hold onto that. You guys were bouncing like my wife (bleep). Finally, the 60 to zero
deceleration tests. Regardless of all of our
driver error and difficulty, we were able to get a
pretty consistent data set, but when this car was new,
it stopped at 120 feet. Hi car was a little bit
better than low car, but both cars are considerably
better than stock. There’s just so much more contact. – I would think maybe the
compound has a little bit more to do with that than the width. – As far as wheels go,
I don’t think Nolan or I are good enough drivers
to notice the difference in wheel performance. Basically, buy something nice
enough that’s not gonna break. Stay safe. And then, it just comes down
to how hard you want to flex. In my case, with the Advans,
I have so much clout. It’s coming out of my nose. – Personally, I like my wheels better. I’m sorry, I’m not gonna
say the Advans look bad because they don’t, they look amazing. But I like the XXR’s better. I think they’re great value for the money. – I wouldn’t buy the XXR’s. I would buy something slightly
cheaper than the Advan. – You have to pick one of the two. – One of the? If I had to pick one of the two, I would get the Advans because
I have a reputation to uphold and I can’t be rolling around
on multi-lug pattern wheels. So Nolan, does more
expensive mean more better? Technically, yes.
– Sort of. – Definitely.
– Sort of, yes. – Definitely, 100%. In every test, they perform better than your tires.
– I know, but it’s not. It wasn’t like the suspension tests where it’s like immediately apparent. – Ask me which ones I would buy. – Which tires would you buy, James? – I would buy the Federals. – Okay. – I want a car that I can
break the rear end loose when I want to. – I’m with you on the Federals just because, not for the reason that you want a looser car but because you have to be such a better
driver to feel any difference. Also, I just want to address some comments from the last video saying that we were sponsored by KW or that we’re gonna be sponsored by the best parts in every episode. Not true, we bought every.
– All of those. – Part that you see in this entire series. We paid for. – Thank you for watching HiLow. Next week, I’m gonna throw a
huge brake kit onto hi car, and Nolan. – Yeah, we’re gonna put
some upgraded brake pads, upgraded rotors, and some
steel braided brake lines on the low car and see how
those upgrades perform. – I love you. – Be safe. What, that’s not my catch phrase. Be nice. – I love you. – See you next time. – How are we gonna put it on a shirt? You can’t remember it. – I don’t know.

100 thoughts on “$1,000 vs $3,700 Wheels and Tires | HiLow

  1. i wish james was my dad

  2. Hurs-purrsss!

  3. As much as I enjoyed this video, wish some of the tests were done with them switching the wheels. High vs Low specific 350s ok cool, but if you're asking about the specific parts then something easy to swap like wheels would of been great to see on both cars.

  4. Those are rims, wheels are tires.

  5. I wish there was some discussion on a mid priced option.

    This is a good example – what would it cost to get a wheel that is a single pattern fit have cost?

    Maybe two different budgets and not just the cheapest vs best. Like 10,000 vs $30,000.

  6. I saw the one rx 7 dude

  7. Anyone glad they finally arent being annoying and over the top like they were a couple years ago?

  8. Why are these being re released as new? Ive seen this one the suspension one and the paint one months ago. Im confused as hell.

  9. Stfu 😂 Just because I happen to be a 24 year old programmer who has less hair than my dad doesn't make me gross… its probably the cheetos breath.

  10. This series is great keep it up 🙌🙌🙌

  11. When it comes to buying car parts what’s a recommended website? Is carID worth it and trustworthy?

  12. Wow you fools can state obvious facts

  13. Here’s what you do: go to my350z forums and wait for those high boy Advan wheels to pop up for sale and scoop them up at a discount

  14. Throw a twirly boi in them soon

  15. #HRSPRS

  16. The ghost overlay was a nice touch

  17. Don’t roll your fenders. That’s ricer garbage.

  18. Both of the Z look amazing, you guys mess them up with the paint jobs 😔

  19. “MORE BETTER”

  20. #savethehair

  21. $ Engine Vs $$$ Engine

  22. Honestly cheap wheels for me were some 350 dollar tires from china and some 100 dollar steelie set.

  23. Never spend a third of your vehicles value on a set of wheels! 😑🙄

  24. Y’all can watch out this series on their Facebook page it’s out since last month

  25. Good video series I have come into 1/2 way through

  26. dude i would love to join these guys one day

  27. Why do the cheap ones get a fart noise?

  28. Best beginner video for wheels ever

  29. We got buzzfeed and now this shit

    Whats next?
    1$ pencil vs 1000$ pencil

  30. Or just email fitment industries and ask them to help with the wheels and tire sizing

  31. A good beginner post for total noobs.

  32. Go test those cars with 10K on the tires. You will learn a whole lot more why tires cost differently.

  33. The RSRs give the RE71Rs a run for its money is the conclusion I can find here as well

  34. This series is so good really pissed I have to wait a week in between episodes tho

  35. Caught that Real World reference you slid in there. Hawaii was my favorite season lol

  36. This is a cool series! Please take the cars for a dukes of hazzard style jump at the end to really settle the HiLow difference!!

  37. “more better” really

  38. Mechanic dude looks like a young Shemar Moore…!

  39. James car might be more expensive but nolan can drive better

  40. the yellow shirt guy sounds like nicholas cage

  41. Swapped from a high end name brand to a cheep brand l had never heard of on the recommendation of the tire shop owner. I was hesitant but given he was running them on his 911 turbo l gave them a shot and was amazed at the difference. Half the price of what l had been running yet felt like twice the grip.
    Higher prices don't always mean better performance.

  42. Potenza RE71R, Literally changes the car (if you get them warm) check out this 370z potenza nismo https://youtu.be/OHXsf1qNbI4

  43. Anyone notice the seat on the bmw bike?

  44. In Autocross it would make a difference to have the better tire.

  45. How did donut get on trending

  46. I’ve got the federal 595 SS 16XL’s

  47. What was the offset

  48. Hey James why you not sponsored by NOS any more? I heard you had a heart attack?

  49. Did you actually just take off lug nuts with a hex imapct

  50. Clickbait video. Should rename it "expensive tires vs cheap tires, which is better?"

  51. Scotty kilmer would take a 94 toyota celica over these cars any day…….
    He had a customer that thought he got a great deal on a 350Z….. He drove 250 miles and already needed a tank pf gas……
    He had another customer that wanted something sporty and bought one of these….thing was such a piece of junk he needed an oil change after just 5000 miles…….. Guess thats why the nissan dealer sells so many oil changes…..ha ha ha ha laughing horse picture

  52. White on gold rims looks sick af

  53. Good episode, wish vids like these where out 16 years ago so I would have saved myself the cash & the headaches. Interestingly enough some stock OE rims weigh less than the cheaper aftermarket rims out on the market. If I wanted to save a lb per rim of unsprung mass it would cost about $4-5 grand compared to the stock 19/9 rims on my TT. So there's zero gain for me in that regard. Tires on the other hand make a major difference. A cheap but we'll designed summer sport tire will perform extremely well for the average person on their daily driver. Easier to live with (especially on the budget) for the auto crosser, but not recommended for track days as the tire's compound technology will be apparent almost immediately after the 2nd lap. I look forward to seeing the brake comparison.

  54. Love this series!! Good work fellas!

  55. So, why the re-upload?

  56. Honestly the shoddy suspension Nolan has on the car probably hurt it more during the wheel/tire test than anything else.

  57. Why does this video make me nostalgic for Need For Speed Underground??

  58. You should make tire performance comparison between Goodyear and Brifgeetone products.

  59. These videos genuinely help me choose the parts I need for my car on a budget.

  60. New hi low project! 95 or 99 body civic. Motor swaps and body kits!

  61. Not a fan of the Z, but great show, guys!

  62. I'd like to see Nolan's wheels and tires on James' better suspension car to compare just the difference the wheels and tires make.

  63. Nice!

  64. Not good test subjects. The tests are inconclusive. Suspension is a big factor. Put both junk boxes at the same height & do the test again, I’m sure the results will be different.

  65. damn did they just bash on my 25 year old bald ass

  66. I'll give them 90 days before you return outta the Safeway to find em sitting on the floor pans….js

  67. Hey we see those xxrs 😥

  68. Is that Aaron Parker?

  69. It's hard to listen to script-reading dumbos pretend to know what they are talking about.

  70. Love these videos and will watch each one. Wanting to know where to spend and where to save. Also making me consider a Z so idk if I want a MX5 or a 350Z. Leaning more towards the Z though…

  71. Nolan's car looks so much better

  72. Wait did they adjust the low 350 for the rubbing? Your average watcher would like to know.

  73. I used to have federals on my mustang. They sound like an airplane is behind you.

  74. https://www.instagram.com/p/B5mkZkXK_Nz/

  75. Good info as I'll be looking for tires and wheels for my car soon, and I don't want to spend a fortune.

    I thought that was Magic Mountain in the background..

  76. Great vid, I'ma buy a new car soon & this is very helpful. Any clue what artist/title of the music @ 9:25?

  77. U guys should give the cars away when ya done with the This Series

  78. Love this series, thanks guys.

  79. this shows more interesting

  80. Is that guy that was next to James when he was talking about aspect ratio that rx7 guy from hyperdrive

  81. Guys i don't know if you are aware of that … you went international with your videos 😉 I'm from Poland and i appreciate you put them kilos in weight of tires but you still should put them meters in distances ;p just a quick side note 😉
    I love you! James you da best!

  82. I am running Federal 595-RSRR tires. They are dope.

  83. It’s funny cause I’m going to shave all my hair off

  84. @DonutMedia so it the series called "HiLow" or "Hi Low"? cause the coilovers vid is "Hi Low"
    Hi-Low ?

  85. Do hilow on the exhaust, Seats, and I know it’s kinda ricey but spoilers

  86. I LOVE THIS KIND OF SHOW!! KEEP IT UP

  87. I hate how materialistic car culture is.

  88. i thought the hight of a tire is 30% of the width  !!

  89. Ok but $1000 of shitty wheels
    Konig makes rotary forged wheels some for under $1000 depending on size 18 and smaller

  90. Next:
    $100 subwoofer vs $1000 sound system+$30 vape juice

  91. I thought they were going to make the wheels fight each other.

  92. 24 year old prigrammer that looks like his that😂😂

  93. Was james in the military because he has a star above is elbow

  94. You guys have got to do a truck edition!! Like an 90 s10 or a ford

  95. Congratulations Donut Media, on your win for Best Sports Channel!!! You guys are amazing, informative, and EXTREMELY funny! Love you guys. BTW…when is Bart gonna come back makin' them Science videos? I thought I knew a lot about cars, but holy shit, I need to learn more.

  96. Is this a news Z or the previous Z? Case the previous Z is blue plastidipped

  97. You should’ve done both wheels and tires on both cars

  98. I already know…. Those potenzas are SO GOOD

  99. The Federals are SOOOO LOUD

  100. Your title is slightly off you said 3600 not 3700

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