100 Year Old Buggy Wheel Built Incorrectly | Engels Coach Shop

100 Year Old Buggy Wheel Built Incorrectly | Engels Coach Shop


Well, I want to welcome again. I’m still picking through this backlog of wheels. Well, this week I’ve got a wheel that was sent up from New Mexico We’re gonna get it unpackaged and just see what we’ve got cooking here. Well, in spite of the wreck, this really is a pretty nice old wheel. It has nice fine lines to it. You can tell they’re still original spokes. Got nice fine throats on em. Compared to this old wheel that we did earlier. Pretty thick, heavy blocky spokes. Not much style. But this has a really nice old original style to it. So we’re gonna kind of get it apart here and see if we can’t put this thing back together again. Now when I picked this up off the stand I noticed it had a steel washer on the large side, of the bell side of the boxing It really should be leather. Steel isn’t a good idea. Another thing I noticed when this wheel was put together, somebody was pretty heavy handed with it. I’ve been asked in the past why I don’t use a larger hammer when I set rivets, and this is why. Too large a hammer, or too heavy a blow, can bend the body of the rivet instead of mushrooming the head and that was the case when these rivets were set. Well, this buggy wheel has been changed to a little newer style of hard rubber. It has a flat rubber to it. And there’s a spot where you can see it was drag sideways, probably in the wreck, and it started to pull the rubber out of the channel iron. So while in some past videos you’ve watched me put hard rubber tires on buggy wheels, This time it’s gonna be the process of, how do you take them off? You know there’s gotta be a joint somewhere. There it is. Now inside t his joint is two hard, high tensile strength wires. I’m gonna take a cold chisel and see if I can get them cut apart. It can be a rascal sometimes. In the process of doing this I want to address a question, or comment that’s come up different times when I’m putting rubber on, Why don’t I put on some type of adhesive or sealant on this joint? This is why. Now you remember here a couple two, three, four weeks back I did some hard rubber tires and you see how I brazed the ends together? Well, there’s a brazed job that causes the wire to stay stuck. on one end and it’ll kind of pull in on the other. So this end that I can see the wires just flush on is the end where the weld is. I’m gonna clamp it down tight and I’m gonna stretch this out, kind a like a rubber band, as far as I can, and I’m gonna kink it on the end of the wires and see if I can get this to work forward. I got a little off camera here, but if I twist that, see that wire starts to work out. There you can see the brazing coming out on one wire. The second wire is a little more reluctant, but Ithink we can persuade it. One of the challenges of working on these horse drawn carriages today is the variety of makers. So I’m constantly trying to match old spokes. So the new ones don’t really match just quite right. So I’ll put an old one up against a new one and kinda figure out how I can make this shape a little closer. Now, while I was handling these old spokes, kinda getting them fitted up a little bit, my hands started to tell me something that my eyes didn’t see. You know, a Sarven spoke is kinda shaped like an egg. there’s one side that has kind of a sharp ridge down it, not real sharp, but it’s a definite ridge and that edge is designed to to have a little dish to it. You can see how it kinda steps up off the bench? Well, these old spokes started to feel a little funny. Remember the stripe that was on the outside and the backside doesn’t have a stripe? You can see here the egg as the point is up on the top right here. Well, I’m gonna slow this down and let you see, as we follow the down it is actually on the backside of the spoke. The other side is the side that has the stripe which was on the outside of the wheel. This spoke has been put in backwards. or upside down. Sooo, I started to inspect these a little closer and this is what I found. Well, it’s most likely that these spokes are all of a hundred years old anyway. Most everything that comes in is of that vintage at least. so they’ve had the effects of tension and pressure and weather and they have bent and warped and given over time, so it’s a little tough to tell solely off of the bend in the spokes. You can see there is some warp in these. It’ when my hands feel for the top of the egg that it really tells me the most of just how these spokes were supposed to be. Now I know this is maybe a little difficult to pick up with the camera, so I’m gonna take and set these spokes all in a line, and I’m gonna feel what is the top or the outside edge of the spoke, what is the top of the egg, and I’m gonna put all the top of the eggs up and I’m gonna show you what position these were in the wheel. They’re kinda all mixed up but look at what I found. Well, have you ever heard the phrase you don’t want to buy a car that was made on Friday? They seem to be, I don’t know if this is true or not, but they sometimes are blamed to be the lemons. The workers in the assembly line aren’t thinking about their job maybe. They’re looking for the weekend. and some bolts don’t get put in yada, yada, all this kinda stuff. This wheel, and I don’t know about the whole buggy, but I imagine the whole set of wheels looks like it’s kind of a Friday built set of wheels. About half of these spokes are in upside down. And it’s just one of those lessons, that you know, this is probably a hundred year old wheel, but you know, people are people. Back then, and even today, I have fixed a lot, well maybe I shouldn’t say a lot, I have fixed a number of wheels that are built today, fairly modern, that I find this. Spokes are in haphazard, some right, some backwards, but it’s not that common to find them in old, original carriages. This is one that was one of those Friday wheels. When it goes home, it won’t be that way though. So let’s go ahead and get this put back together and let’s do it right this time. Well, generally when I’m using old fellys putting them back on, I can see kind of the imprint where the egg is on the felloes. But since this one is kind of mixed up haphazard, I’m gonna scrape through and I think this has got some blind rivets on it, and, sure enough, you can see em right underneath the paint here. This is gonna get repainted anyway, so I’m gonna scratch this off. This is gonna tell me what is the back side of the felloes and what is the right side to put em on. Well, the old rivet heads are a little smaller heads than the new ones so I’ve gotta modify these too cause this one has to match the other three. You know, back in 1979, early 1980, I had an older wheelwright watching me do this rubber tire deal. And he just sat their and kind a watched didn’t say too much, and when I got done he said, “Yep, after about a thousand wheels, you’ll about have it figured out.” Well that thousand wheels has come and gone years and years ago. So, you’re kinda getting to be kinda that way too. You’ve watched me do this enough times you’ve noticed that I”ve kinda just kinda just blown through some of these steps. but you’re getting to where you’re familiar with them, which is a good thing. Once again, I appreciate your following along and Thanks for Watching!

100 thoughts on “100 Year Old Buggy Wheel Built Incorrectly | Engels Coach Shop

  1. Those bent rivets turn up in garden forks and spades too. I have replaced many rotten or broken handles and often the factory rivets are bent. As one commenter said below the smaller the hammer the better.
    Fitting wood to metal is very satisfying whether a fork handle or antique gun stock.

  2. I see you didn't mix new and old spokes. There must be a good reason but so far it has escaped me.

  3. Always wondered what exactly Great Great Grandad used to do as a wheelwright now I know

  4. Usually the poor work is lost. Every so often you find a bit. Mine was last year replacing some sash windows with new ones when I patterned the glazing bars some of the old bars were lopsided where they had slipped in the sticking board.

  5. It finally occurred to me how the wagon trains managed to cross the prairie, the Rocky Mountains and the desert: wheels built by Mr. Engels.

  6. I wonder if that wheel wobbled enough that the people will notice a difference?

  7. 1:28 "See if we CAN put this back together again" please don't be so negative 😀

  8. I never get tired of watching your vids even after watching rubber tires getting mounted a number of times. I guess its because I learn something new every time. I build Bicycle wheels and even though they have metal spokes and look completely different there is a respect amongst wheel builders that each can learn from the other no matter what the wheel is built of.

  9. This stuff is somewhat intriguing for some strange reason. Thanks so much for posting!

  10. Howdy!
    Today i watched maybe 15 of your videos, and i am a fan of your work…
    Keep on truckin'… Greeting from Croatia, Europe 👍

  11. You are such a lovely human being……a joy to watch

  12. Wow, what a symphony of hammer strokes and mechanical operations! Two thumbs up!

  13. Pretty work.

  14. Having made nails for specific jobs where extra long nails were required, I was ahead of you on the bent pins and realised straight away exactly why they were bent…and yes, you are right, we are becoming more familiar with the work, but masters like yourself we are not…lol…👍🏻

  15. At the time of this comment, 6 misguided, bitter, extremely churlish individuals had the gall to give this video a thumbs down. May they spend the rest of their days in misery.

  16. Are you doing the painting and lining on that wheel Dave? If you are I'd love to see it.

  17. Ironic the delicate spoked wheel assembled half right and heavy handed.
    Excellent video very enjoyable watching you work away explaining the ins and outs of wheelrightery.
    👍👍👍

  18. Speedy Hammer, LIKE..

  19. Getting this video recommended probably because I watch other restoration channels. Interesting stuff!
    Also Friday Wheels is a good movie title.

  20. Yes, I am familiar with your wheel repairs..
    And I cannot tell you howmuch I enjoy your craftsmanship (as a carriage lover and restorer and user) in general here in Holland.

  21. After watching your videos for the last year or so I am ready if I accidentally walk into a time warp and find myself smack dab in the middle of the 1800's I can find work in a wagon wheel shop.

  22. I thoroughly enjoy watching you tackle a new project.

  23. I think you need a pneumatic chisel. 😁

  24. Just goes to show you that finding good help was as hard 100 years ago as it is today. Some seem to think that all craftsman from days gone by were great, but the reality is that the world has always had good craftsman and hacks … just like today.

  25. Man oh man. It is TRULY a pleasure watching you.

  26. Did they use leaded paint 100 years ago on buggy wheels?

  27. I am amazed at what you Sir can do. May God bless you and keep you healthy.

  28. What a great pleasure it is to watch a true craftsman work. Thank you for this wonderful channel.

  29. Do you make those spokes yourself or do you buy them pre manufactored

  30. I don't know what kinda coffee yer drankin but i want some haha. That machine tire putter on er at the end is cool

  31. I was noticing in the description tools you use who made the tire putter on er jig thingamabob

  32. I was just thinking before the end, "Im getting pretty good at watching him fix these wheels, I know what comes next." You have passed on what you know to so many with these videos. From this viewer, thank you.

  33. I may have watched you fix wheels many times as you say, it just doesn’t get old.
    Thanks for continuing to show us.

  34. thanks again for a good show. i learn something every time.

  35. Great video of a true craftsman! Thanks for sharing!

  36. When you fix something, you really fix it! Great work and pride in your work.

  37. This should qualify for college credits.lol. I feel smarter.

  38. I sure enjoy watching you work. I would have been a real pest as a young boy if I had grown up in your town as I always enjoyed watching people work. Back in 1955 or so I would ride my bike by a local printer office and watch the guy printing on his old manual machine. He never chased me off but I am sure he wondered what could be so interesting. Great video.

  39. Nice to watch a real Craftsman….I watched an older video of yours and you talked about not having tv sense 1995… I quit watching regular tv years ago. I have a huge collection of old western movies and vintage movies and I do watch a lot of youtube.. I can't stand the new stuff

  40. As always interesting and I
    Learn something, each time , all the small details, and things I would never have thought of.
    Thank you

  41. Boa noite, sou do Brasil, muito bom seu trabalho….não me canso de ver seus videos!

  42. I really enjoy watching this guy with his strange measuring devices and small hammers.

  43. You're right, I can follow the steps now… love your excellent work

  44. Hello, I love your videos. Do you do all the film production yourself or do you have a crew with a cameraman etc.? Thank you

  45. Have you ever shared the story of how you started into the wheelwright trade, and who mentored you ? Maybe a few story’s from your past !

  46. What a nice and good work you sharing with us! Like my father says, "Making good work, you can`t have bad thoughts!" Greetings from Germany 🧡🧡🧡

  47. that was brilliant……………..thanks.

  48. I apologise before saying this, but that was f###ing brilliant. Love watching you work.

  49. Great as always, will you be repainting this wheel as well, or does that go out somewhere to get painted? Would love to see a video of that if you do it.

  50. I got to say, every time I think of a question and type it, you are answering it. I love watching makers and you are among the very best I watch, thanks so much for showing your craft and skill!

  51. Just subscribed! fantastic work you do.

  52. I feel like an armchair expert on wooden wheels now… I've watched many of your videos over recent years & like you said "You kinda know what happens…"
    I was at my nephews wedding on a farm a few hours from home where they had an old barn converted as a function centre & some sulkys & other horse drawn wagons. I found myself looking at them & imagining what you would say as you inspected them. The wheels had a hub with a metal case riveted on each side. You would say they were Sarven Hubs… but I don't know if they are a specific manufacturer in the US or if they refer to a general type of wheel. I wonder if these were imported Sarven Hubs here in Australia, or just an Australian wheelright who built them in that style.
    I an loving your work & enjoy each & every video. Thanks

  53. Sir, despite I am very unlikely going to have the chance to contract your services, I would like to, first thank you for those interesting videos, but also to express my consideration for the job you do. Sharing your experience with the whole planet is a very generous fact.
    Cheers from Catalonia!

  54. Superb video! How are the tires made with the holes for the wires?

  55. Built incorrectly and unsafe … outrageous. I'd go back to the guy who did it, show him the faults and give him what for.

  56. great video every time thank you

  57. I'm going to be devils advocate and ask why you think it is important to put the spokes in all the same way when this wheel proves if you do it "wrong" they will last 100 yrs? The rivets being bent don't seem to matter either.

  58. That means all Chryslers are made on Friday

  59. You make it look so easy beautiful work as always

  60. Tüm parçalar aynı yaşta… Hepsini yeniden yapsaydın. 🙁 [TR]

  61. It lastest one hundred years . Explain why It matters. Now they will have mismatched.

  62. This was one of the most interesting things I have seen in many years. I love to know how things are made and the craftsmanship that it takes to make these things. Your presentation and explanation made understanding and enjoying it easy. Thank you for keeping this craft alive and sharing with us.

  63. i always learn something new every time i watch your videos 🙂 Im loving it !!!!!

  64. We have a new influx of Amish in my area and they all run steel tires-it's obvious from the marks on the pavement. In another area I've been on roads where their (Amish) ponies and wagons have destroyed the chip and tar paving of all the backroads, making it treacherous for motorcars and for cyclists. I was riding a bike and always fighting to find a continuous smooth surface. I'm glad I don't live in that area and hope our roads hold up better. I wonder if they'll ever upgrade to hard rubber. I expect not, because we're 1,600 miles from Dave's shop.

  65. Do you have an apprentice? Skills such as yours need to be passed down for future generations. It's so satisfying to watch a skilled craftsman at his work. thank you for making these videos.

  66. wow very great work men !

  67. You're right about that, I know way more about wagons now than I have any right to.

  68. It is a pleasure to watch you working as aTradesman myself for nearly 50 years Joiner/Carpenter I can appreciate your skill talent and incredible knowledge, I would hope that someone in your neck of the woods has the Wit to offer you Apprentice,s a First year, Second ,Third and Fourth all coming through the Ranks before you retire and take your many Abilities with you. Here in the UK /Scotland there is an acute shortage of Tradesmen every Trade, because basically the money is not there ,when you are 16 a Four year Apprenticeship seems like a lifetime when you can earn twice as much doing almost anything else, I sincerely hope you are able to pass on your Unique Irreplaceable Trade, and on the plus side the Apprentice has to sweep up, haha all the best MM.

  69. Do you order spoke that come premade? Or do you make those, just off of camera?

    Secondly, do you build full wagons and buggies? Or just the wheel man? Im guessing it’s a full time job just to be the wheel man!! As that’s likely the most important and hardest part to master of the entire buggy.

  70. I do feel as though I could walk into that shop and build a wheel. If I get to the USA I would like to give it a try. 🙂 Thank you.

  71. Robots don't have Fridays

  72. Great video and thanks again for taking us along with the repair/rebuild of that wheel. Have a great week.

  73. An amazing craft. I would love to hear your story. Did you learn from a wheelwright or self taught? And all the amazing machines and gadgets that you use. You must be one of a kind. You are truly the Sam Maloof of wheelwright! Thanks for sharing your talent! 🤠

  74. I doubt I'll ever do something like this but I do enjoy the craftsmanship and the process. Good to know you have somebody else to carry on this craft. Thanks for taking the time to film this.

  75. Absolutely fantastic knowledge and craftsmanship put into a brilliant video. Thank you for sharing your skills with us. You sir, are a living legend.

  76. I dunno man, you didn't road force balance those wheels after mounting those tires. You might experience some vibrations at highway speeds, maybe some premature wear on your wheel bearings.

  77. as usual, another great job and video tips hat

  78. wells fargo pit crew go Dave !! I like watching you work i am not lazy i would help if there i enjoy the way you work and the work that you do very efficient and take pride in your work something to be admired thanks for the vids Dave i miss my work,

  79. Dave, do you make your own spokes? If so can you please show us that process? You always seem to have a bucket load on hand.
    Thanks,
    Rod

  80. I could watch ya build a 1000 more wheels and still not be bored with it.

  81. And friends and family wonder why I don't watch T.V. ….

  82. Isn’t there a risk of lead poisoning with all the old paint you deal with? I have a small carriage I hope to someday restore myself and that’s my biggest concern… the old paint that will need to be sanded off.

  83. And now I can build my own buggy wheels, thanks

  84. I continued to be surprised what you may find on YouTube . It's always fascinating to see a real expert at work, thank you for posting !

  85. Fascinating wheel!

  86. Great video!

  87. Awesome craftsmanship Sir, thanks for the video👍. You wouldn't happen to be associated with the Engels from Little House on the prairie, would you?

  88. Great videos, that attention to details just amazing.
    I'm interested how people were making wheels when steel was very expensive. You know, one saw and couple of axes in whole village. Probably, you better than everyone can imagine how to build wheel without metal – no screws, bands. Guess huge hub because of thick axle, but how to hold everything together without tire?

  89. a wheely good vid ,thanks for sharing your skills

  90. Bravo

  91. Nice video very relaxing and informative

  92. Amazing technology back then

  93. What are the chances that they deliberately alternated the forward and backwards spokes?

  94. Great to see and hear your knowledge also teaching us some of the ways in which things were and still are done by hand!
    An off the subject comment. This AI ( Artificial intelligence ) rave is limited to the intelligence of the human brain and body functions because humans created AI. Good old fashion hand work is the best.

  95. In Sweden we say 'måndagsexemplar' which is literally 'Monday sample' or 'Monday example' meaning an item produced on a Monday when the workers were tired and hungover from the weekend and didn't really feel like getting back to work.

  96. I have only just found your channel, but I find it fascinating. It's a joy to watch such an old, nearly forgotten art, still being done. It's truly amazing to see, so I've subscribed and with luck, I'll learn something that could be of use to me. Thanks for sharing your skills with us.

  97. HUH THEY DONT MAKE WHEELS LIKE THAT ANMORE. Man they don't make gentlemen like you anymore. Look listen & learn sir you make it seem easy and I know its not. Thanks to you your wealth of knowledge will always be around and thank the good lord they've invented the camra and oooooo yer YOUTUBE. We are so so greatful to you. Best of health to you and all around.

  98. You just couldn't get good help a hundred years ago.

  99. First time I've seen one of your videos. You are quite the artisan.

  100. Been through enough 100 year old houses to know that the adage “they don’t build them like they used too” is about only correct 60 percent of the time. Every era has had its share of hacks in every trade.

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